corporation, we do not act in the best interest of the united states." well, it is a u.s. corporation, but what he meant is, they have shareholders all over the world, they have investments all over the world, and it's not his job to do things that are good for america, it's his job to do things that are good for his international shareholders. >> but under citizens united, he can contribute as much money as he or his board wants to on, secretly, on projects that may not be in the national. >> right. again, this is the nasty combination of the really, the incredibly dangerous accident of citizens united that allows this unlimited money and the other cases that have allowed unlimited contributions with a lack of disclosure. because the presumption, the reason the court said this wouldn't be corrupting is we would know who was giving and could hold them accountable. and we don't. >> it's like water running downhill. the old clichÉ, it finds a way around every obstacle you put into place. and that's what's happened to campaign finance reform. >> well it's a good clichÉ, it'